"Road Magazine" (roadmag)
01/01/2014 at 14:42 • Filed to: Jeremy Clarkson, Muscle Cars
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"Road Magazine" (roadmag)
01/01/2014 at 14:42 • Filed to: Jeremy Clarkson, Muscle Cars | 1
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For Sweden
> Road Magazine
01/01/2014 at 14:50 |
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Look at this AMG! Tons of power and can't turn! I love it!
daender
> Road Magazine
01/01/2014 at 14:52 |
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Shots fired!
Vee Ate Injun
> Road Magazine
01/01/2014 at 14:52 |
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good documentary; one of my faves. all jalops should watch...
lone_liberal
> Road Magazine
01/01/2014 at 14:54 |
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Jeremy Clarkson is British . Muscle cars make no sense whatsoever in Britain so his opinion is logical. In the US/Canada/Australia they do make sense so my opposite opinion is logical.
Goshen, formerly Darkcode
> Road Magazine
01/01/2014 at 15:10 |
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I still don't get the point of leaf spring bashing.
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> Goshen, formerly Darkcode
01/01/2014 at 15:22 |
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Land Rover used leaves until ~1984, for pity's sake. Triumph used rear leaves (transverse) until the TR8. Rover cars and Jag didn't much, but they were the exception and not the rule - any situation without full IRS and many even with semi-independent rear can make good use of them. Plenty of Euro vans and whatnot still do.
The Transporter
> lone_liberal
01/01/2014 at 16:02 |
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$250,000 supercars don't make a hell of a lot of sense either, but he loooooves those.
desertdog5051
> Road Magazine
01/01/2014 at 16:05 |
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That guy can be such a dick when he wants to be. Which is most of the time. Go home Jeremy, you're drunk. Which he is a great deal of the time according to his daughters videos.
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lone_liberal
> The Transporter
01/01/2014 at 16:16 |
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His snobbish tendencies kick in for those. I'd also say that good handling super cars are better suited to the open roads of Britain than muscle cars that are meant for straight, wide roads.
PushToStart
> Road Magazine
01/01/2014 at 16:51 |
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I like Top Gear, and I think Jeremy is pretty funny on there because of the stuff he says and how he's so unafraid to share his opinions (even though I disagree with some). That said, I'm not sure I'd really want to meet him IRL, because I have a feeling he might be an ass. The other two TG hosts seem decently pleasant though.
The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123
> The Transporter
01/01/2014 at 17:13 |
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As long as their not American.
Jedidiah
> Road Magazine
01/01/2014 at 19:19 |
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Low-brow British humor is always at the expense of someone else; It helps sell Clarkson's writing. Clarkson can make fun of American muscle cars with no consequences because they are extremely uncommon in Europe. Media that is controversial or makes fun of things sells well and can use to attract viewers that may not be very interested in cars.
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Jedidiah
> Goshen, formerly Darkcode
01/01/2014 at 19:31 |
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Every possible automobile configuration has pros and cons. Leafs are cheap, light, strong and its quite easy to see why that would be desrable in a car. Check out this Wikipedia page about the Leaf springs in the Corvette. The mechanical engineering in cars is always fascinating, regardless of how old the technology is.
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Goshen, formerly Darkcode
> Jedidiah
01/02/2014 at 05:52 |
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I know. I said I didn't get the point of bashing them.
KirkyV
> The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123
01/02/2014 at 07:04 |
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Uh...
I mean, he did eventually end up selling his after having endless electrical trouble with a dealer-installed security system, but for a good long while, he fucking loved that car.
KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
01/02/2014 at 07:18 |
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But the exception proves the rule. You wouldnt use leaves on a sidecar, and there's quite little space in certain Austins and Rovers.
Leaves have great properties, as you note, and its more of the Clarkson persona/snobbishness talking than any semblance of an engineer. Because they do have their place, and they work excellently in those applications.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
01/02/2014 at 09:31 |
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wouldn't use leaves on a sidecar
You were saying?
Yes, I know, sidecars are usually built compactly with coils or nothing, but I've personally seen military sidecar setups that use leaves due to fore/aft location + lateral location + suspension + torsion control all in a single element. It's just a clean light way to do things with any kind of solid axles - including the much better-mannered De Dion axle and not just the full floating truck kind.
Question: is it not true that the Transit Van that nearly beat Clarkson around the Nurburgring has a beam axle and rear leaves? Perhaps on that topic he might learn to STFU.
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KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
01/02/2014 at 09:56 |
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It's a clean way to do things, and done more out of "cheap to manufacture" moreso than doing it in a better way. It doesn't make it *wrong* per se, just a bit more of a compromise than most people are usually going to accept.
Besides, you completely blew past the reference to Jaguar Cars not using leaf springs, and it's origins as the Swallow Sidecar Company... Which is completely uncharacteristic of you... *glare*
My understanding is that the MkV Transit is a solid live axle in the back with leaf springs. Which are far better at carrying load for a given suspension complexity and cost than most alternatives.
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The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123
> KirkyV
01/02/2014 at 17:19 |
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But he also went on and on about how much European influence was in the car...
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Jedidiah
> Goshen, formerly Darkcode
01/02/2014 at 19:03 |
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Sorry about that. I read that as "I still don't get the point of leaf springs."
StoneColdSteveUrkel
> Road Magazine
01/04/2014 at 08:48 |
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"Fuck off Clarkson. You're boring!"
Just Cars for Joe Bryant
> KirkyV
01/04/2014 at 09:24 |
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Uh, it was Ford's SYNC he was having problems with, but lets give Ford the benefit of the doubt here, it was the first version of SYNC and probably an early version of that.
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> desertdog5051
01/04/2014 at 09:36 |
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You're taking him too seriously. Top Gear is an ENTERTAINMENT show, and so are his opinions in turn.
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KirkyV
> Just Cars for Joe Bryant
01/04/2014 at 09:51 |
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Was it? I'd heard that it was a security system. I didn't think SYNC existed, in any form, before 2007. Besides, would SYNC even have the ability to keep locking up the immobiliser?
EDIT: Here's a link to a copy/paste of the column he wrote for The Sunday Times, explaining why he sold the GT back to Ford: http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/general-…
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Just Cars for Joe Bryant
> KirkyV
01/04/2014 at 13:13 |
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I do remember reading this, but I was surprised this time to see the name Roush in the article, but I just looked up Roush and saw that Jack Roush has a company called Roush Enterprises that not only has control of Roush Performance and possibly control of the Roush portion of Roush / Fenway Racing. But it also does a great deal more in the markets of defense, automotive (including prototyping), and other fields.
So I could be very wrong on this as this could be a Roush component that was causing all of the trouble, not Ford's SYNC like I originally thought.
TrannyAmmy
> Road Magazine
09/06/2016 at 00:34 |
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Sure. A modern Honda Accord V6 will destroy just about any ‘60s/’70s muscle car, acceleration, handling. But drive a big old lugging muscle car down main st. ‘Merica and that’s a feeling you can’t get anywhere else. Then throw your right foot down. It’s easy to get a supercar that costs a half mill, or even a Caymen that sets you back $75K, lovely, awesome, performance. A muscle car is just that, balls to the wall torque, scary handling and beautiful lines.